Professor Emerita聽M. Shawn Copleand聽and Nathan Wood-House, ABD, discuss signs of our times concerning police violence and movements to secure the dignity of Black lives in light of the development of race and racism inside chattel slavery in the United States as well as insights from Black churches and theologies. Their dialogue also takes up the concrete implications of the gospel for those benefiting from and struggling against white supremacy, suggesting ways listeners can enact compassion and confront injustice.